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Cover Story: John McGivern, Hasani Issa and "Take Me Out"
Take Me OutThere is no more anticipated theatrical event this spring than the Chamber Theatre's Milwaukee premiere of Richard Greenberg's acclaimed, "Take Me Out" which opens Friday, April 21 at the Broadway Theatre Center. Daring to explore the uneasy relationship of gender and sexuality in the world of professional sports, "Take Me Out" took Broadway by storm, winning a cluster of awards, including the Tony award for Best New Play and the Pulitzer.
  Notorious for its adult content, explicit dialogue and locker room nudity, "Take Me Out" features Milwaukee favorite, John McGivern and New York actor Hasani Issa, who is making his Milwaukee Chamber Theatre debut, as Darren Lemming, the star center fielder who underestimates the impact his coming out will have on himself and professional baseball.
  Both performers generously took time away from their busy rehearsal schedule to talk to Quest. 

Quest: Hasani, what is your background?

Hasani Issa: I'm originally from Washington, D.C. of a white mother and a black father. I went to Howard University n D.C., graduated in '99. Spent a year out in California at the American Conservatory Theatre. Left there after a year and went to New York, where I've been ever since.

Quest: Can you take a moment to give some background on "Take Me Out?"

Hasani Issa: Sure. It's written by Richard Greenberg. It's about a bi-racial baseball player who comes out and announces that's gay. The play then becomes a hurricane that surrounds him and the announcement and how it affects the rest of the season and how it affects Darren, who is kind of a golden boy to his teammates and everyone around him.

John McGivern: It is a show that on the outside looks like just a show about baseball when in fact it is a show about relationships and families in a broader sense. It is all around the subject of baseball.

Quest: Have you seen a previous production?

Hasani Issa: I saw it when it was here in New York, the original production.

John McGivern: I haven't. In fact, it was playing in Chicago and I knew that it was down there. I got a call from the guy who cast me who asked if I wanted to come down and I said, "Not really. I'd really rather not."

Quest: John, what role are you playing?

John McGivern: I play Mason Marzac who is an accountant who happens to be handed the account of Darren who is the star player. Mason is a gay man as well and is handed this account because his boss is retiring. He ends up having a meeting with Darren and Darren says, "What do you know about baseball?" And I'm like, "I know nothing about baseball." He says, "Well, I think that it is important that you find out what I do." He takes my character on this journey where he knew nothing and was intimidated and in the course of this journey, comes to love baseball. There are these two nine-page speeches that he gives right to the audience about what baseball means to not only him but to society. And it is this beautiful, beautiful metaphor about how baseball can be related to all of our lives. It is great writing and I'm thrilled to be able to do it.

Quest: Did you ever play baseball? Are you baseball fans?

Hasani Issa: Only recently. I grew up in D.C. and we didn't have a baseball team so it wasn't really a sport that I became attached to. We just got a team a couple of years ago and since then I've quite an avid fan of the Nationals, even though they were in last place.

John McGivern: No. I've a brother a year older than me and a brother 2 years older than me and both of them Ð we went to a Catholic school here in Milwaukee and there was a Catholic Little League where they had teams like the "Popes" the "Bishops" and the "Cardinals" and both of my brothers played. I was the boy in the family who couldn't throw a ball. I was always, "Please don't make me do this." But I spent a lot of time in the summer up in Lincoln Park where all the teams played, so I spent some time around it.

Quest: Has the play renewed your enthusiasm for baseball?

John McGivern: It has, That's kinda why I went last year, I knew I was going to do this. And it seemed so far away but I thought that we might as well go. Then I went on my own. Which is remarkable.

Quest: You're sound very much like the character you play!

John McGivern: (laughs) I know, it's true.

Quest: What do you feel is the greatest appeal of "Take Me Out?"

Hasani Issa: I think that it is a very timely topic, especially with all of the furor over gay marriage and the place of gay marriage in American society, so that it is very provocative in that way. It challenges people to think about things that they may or may not feel comfortable thinking about. It takes a topic which is very controversial and provocative and puts it with the most non-controversial activity in America, which is baseball, which makes for a very interesting combination

John McGivern: History speaks that what they will take away is the fact that no matter what our stories are that there is a similarity and a real humanity in all of us that is relatable. That we are so much more alike than we are different, in truth. And that whatever our lifestyle is, whatever troubles that we go through, we've all gone through stuff that is incredibly similar. It speaks to a spirit that's kind and I think that it makes people think about how they treat people.

Quest: Part of the appeal of "Take Me Out" for audiences is the promise of male nudity.

Hasani Issa: I don't see anything wrong with going to a play for a little bit of titillation. But with particular play, I think even the nudity acts as kind of a statement, a symbol of male sexuality, as a line between male heterosexuality and male homosexuality and where is that line and what does it mean. So, even in the nudity, I think the play is trying to make a statement and challenge assumptions.

Quest: John, as one of the actors who doesn't get naked, how do you feel about it?

John McGivern: Very disappointed. (laughs) But everyone has their crosses to bear. I'm disappointed, No one has ever asked me to take my clothes off. But it's okay.

Quest: I suppose that you could always do that as part of the Opening Night curtain call?

John McGivern: Don't you think? I'll tell them that you told me to. People will say, "Oh, no John!" (laughs) "We didn't mean it."

"Take Me Out" opens Friday, April 21 and runs through May 7 at the Cabot Theatre in Milwaukee's Broadway Theatre Center. For tickets, call 414-291-7800.


March 30 Feature
Task Force’s Winter Party Warms $300K To Gay Groups
By Steve Vargas and Nathan Mathis
Miami Beach - Backs and bodies - smooth, freckled, tattooed, tan and mostly all ripped - pulsed in the salt breeze on South Beach at the dance party finale at the Winter Party, held March 5 and yearly to raise money for local and national gay rights groups.
Winter Party Hotties  As the sun set, house anthems spread a bittersweet euphoria across the crowd of 5,000 partygoers, mostly men.
“It’s a male-bonding, sensual, tribal-type of connection, being able to touch and be physical with other guys and express what you never got as a kid,” Mark Heiner, a bartender in town from New York told us.
  The bash unofficially kicked off what is known as “circuit party” season, attendees said - for the next six months, some will travel a world-circuit in search of the best party around.
  “It looks pretty, but there’s a dark side that can happen,” Heiner said, nodding to the drug abuse and often-futile search for love that he said can mark the scene.
  In Miami Beach, though, the beach party wound down a five-day winter festival which this year drew 10,000 guests - at least 6,000 from snow socked northern cities and other points out of town.
  Begun in 1994 to raise cash to defeat anti-gay state legislation, the Winter Party is now run by the National Gay  and Lesbian Task Force, a non-profit advocacy group working to build grassroots support for gay rights.
  Amid the South Beach soiree, the group has retained its political mission, kicking two-thirds of the festival’s estimated $300,000 in profits back to local gay groups.
  “People want to stereotype gay people into being white, handsome and dancing - and that is definitely a part of our community that we’re intensely proud of,” Matt Foreman, executive director of the national Task Force said. “But our community is also families with children, poor people and people of color.” He also added, “ I don’t see any tension between serious work and good parties, but we’re going to keep on broadening the festival.”
  This year, then, the five-day bash spilled beyond house-heavy circuit parties to include golf, museums, wine-tasting and beachfront films, a family picnic and fashion show - in part reflecting the evolution of an aging gay rights movement that now reaches out to baby boomers, too, said festival spokeswoman Sharon Kersten.
  But beneath the bamboo scaffold and billowing white banners on the beach, dancing was still the main point.
“It makes you feel so happy and independent,” Connecticut financial consultant Emre Algan said. “It makes me feel creative, like I can be myself.”
  The crowd at the Beach Party was ruled cute, not hard, by a soft-spoken spectator from Atlanta, standing along the seaside fence.
  The sun-splashed vibe was all about community, family and pride.
  Later as dark fell, so did the bass - from soaring, lyric-filled anthems to deep tribal house. Meanwhile, in speedos and cargo shorts, golden-backed boys twirled fluorescent scarves like trippy windmill waves, a move called “flagging.” Otherwise, there was no voguing, no posing, just dancing - for itself, for the way it looks, for the way it feels.
  “It’s more about a free spirit, to do your own thing, to set trends,” pharmacist Richard Long said before heading to the risers for a view of the sun-kissed crowd.
  Standing there, it just seemed possible that dancers might be “the athletes of God” or at least that’s what Albert Einstein once said, according to Circuit Noize magazine, handed out at the party.  And as diva Kim English took the stage at sunset, belting out her anthem “Unspeakable Joy,” it was so: Crowds rose in a cheer between the sand dunes and sea and lost themselves in the swirl.

February 2 Feature
John Waters Wants To Corrupt You
Quest's Exclusive Interview with John Waters

Can it really be 41 years since famed movie director John Waters made his first film? The title of his first cinematic opus, by the John Waters 1way, is "Hag in a Black Leather Jacket," a 17-minute short done when Waters was a mere 18 years old. Many years and countless subversive films later and the man William Burroughs once called "The Pope of Bad Taste" is showing no signs of slowing up. Recently spotted at Sundance, Waters is currently promoting "John Waters Presents Movies That Will Corrupt You," debuting on Here! Networks beginning February 3.
  John Waters will host and introduce the 13 outrageous and extraordinary films which he personally selected. Viewers will have the unique experience of being invited into Waters? colorful Baltimore home as he introduces each film.??
  "I'm trying to invite the viewer into my world to show them extreme, intelligent movies that will push them closer to the edge of cinema insanity," Waters explained. "Here! Networks has been incredibly supportive in my search for films that will corrupt an audience that thinks they have seen everything."
  The 13 features on "John Waters Presents Movies That Will Corrupt You" are not your typical "run-of-the-mill" gay films; rather,Here Logo this collection will make audiences think and question their own political correctness. "I'm not showing any touching coming-out films," Waters said. "We are beyond them. I'm really hoping to get a gay audience that is pretty adventuresome, and really cool straight people who hopefully come back week after week for more."
 Taking time from his hectic schedule, John Waters was gracious enough to offer Glenn time for a special one-on-one interview. A daunting task, to be sure. Let the tape roll:

Quest: How did you chose the films for "John Waters Presents Movies That Will Corrupt You"?

Waters: We came up with this concept and it has happened very, very quickly. Here! Networks went for it. I said to them, "I don't have to pick all gay films, do I?" Not all gay films are good, some of them are really corny, like the early days of black cinema. They said no, we want you to pick movies that smart gay people will like and will lure insane straight people to our channel. So, that's the same way I have parties. And they are the movies that I'd show you if I invited you over to my house, in order of how I could seduce you.

Quest: What do you feel do these 13 films have in common?

Waters: These movies only played sometimes for a week in New York or at some film festivals. That was the point. This will probably be the largest audience some of these movies will ever have. And I wanted to bring them to a public that maybe is not familiar with them. If you are going to watch movies on a show called, "John Waters Presents Movies That Will Corrupt You," basically I think you should be surprised and I don?t think that you?d be surprised if you saw my movies or ?All About Eve? or typical movies you'd think a gay film festival would include. I didn't want to be quite that cliche about it.

Quest: Some people might wonder why you didn't include one of your own films?

Waters: Everyone has seen them. I would never, if I was inviting you over to my house to seduce you, ever show you one of my John Waters 2films. Only Barbara Streisand would do that.

Quest: If you had to pick one, which of your films would you want included?

Waters: Oh, well I certainly guess "Pink Flamingos" has done its job over the years. I keep having kids come up to me now who are 17 and have just seen it and they have tattoos of Divine, they have dialogue from "Female Trouble" tattooed on them. So, these movies seem to be great recruitments to the John Waters cult.

Quest: There are some films on the list that are going to be readily recognizable to Here! Networks audience: "L.I.E.," "The Fluffer" and "Beefcake." Some of the films, "Baxter" or "Clean Shaven"  for instance, will probably surprise viewers?

Waters: "Baxter" is an easy film to enjoy. It is about an S & M dog. If that isn't gay, what is? But, but, but "Clean Shaven" is the one that pushing it the most. I addressed this in my introduction - why this is on a gay channel, a movie about a schizophrenic - because I think that gay people have to realize that they may have had problems in their lives because they are gay or coming out but that ain't nothing compared to a schizophrenic. I was trying to show a movie that will make you uncomfortable. I love movies that will make you uncomfortable. I don't go to movies to be entertained or to be made feel good. I'm suspicious of people that do that. The guy in "Clean Shaven" is handsome. Maybe that's how I can say it is a gay movie. You just wish he wasn't schizophrenic so you could sleep with him.

Quest: Were there films you wanted to include but you felt were too extreme?

Waters: No. (pauses) I guess maybe the only one is "Salo." I think that I was saving that to end the second season, if we ever do one. There were a few I couldn't get the rights to, like "Boom." That's the only one I can think of that I really wanted that I couldn't get.

Quest: What queer filmmakers do you really like or think are up-and-coming?

Waters: What directors do I like that are gay, I'd have to think. I guess Todd Haynes, Gus van Sant, Bruce LaBruce. They're the main ones in the art world, right? Certainly Pasolini was one of my favorites, that's why I wanted to put in the documentary about him.

Quest: Can you talk about your next film project?

Waters: I'm really thinking it up but it's really too early to talk about it. I never talk about a movie when it is in this stage. I think it's bad luck. After the television show, I'm doing a Court TV television show where I'm playing a character called the "Groom Reaper" and I'm also filming my one-man spoken word show called, "This Filthy World." So, these are my next two projects. I've thought up the movie but haven't written it yet - I plan to do it this summer in Provincetown.

Quest: I've read that the film of the Broadway musical "Hairspray" is in pre-production?

Waters: It is but I'm not directing it. They are making the movie, yes, New Line is making it. It is a very big Hollywood movie of the musical, which I'm all for. I'm not directing it, I didn't want to direct it. What they have to do now is re-invent the Broadway play, the same way that the Broadway play re-invented my movie. I think that we've seen from both "Rent" and "The Producers" that just shooting the play as a movie maybe doesn't work.

Quest: With the success of "Hairspray" on Broadway now becoming a big screen Hollywood movie, are you concerned that John Waters is becoming too mainstream?

Waters: Are you kidding. My last movie got a NC-17, it was a nightmare. No, I don't think so. And I think having a television show showing "Irreversible" and "Pink Narcissus" and "Clean Shaven" is hardly mainstream. I have nothing against being mainstream. I am not an outsider any more. I am proud to be an insider because that's even more perverse. How could I be an insider? I haven't really changed. But certainly, maybe, the American public has changed more than I have. I made my first film 41 years ago. I've been in this game for a long time. I keep trying to re-invent what I am but at the same time its not that different. I think you could take any one of my movies or this television show and look at it and it is pretty much consistent of what my values really are and I don't think they are bad values.
Films included in the series
"John Waters Presents Movies That Will Corrupt You"
 
1.  “Freeway” Director: Matthew Bright, 1996
2.  “L.I.E.” Director: Michael Cuesta, 2001
3.   “Fuego” Director: Armando Bo, 1969
4.  “Baxter” Director: Jerome Boivan, 1989
5.  “The Fluffer” Directors: Richard Glatzer and Wash Westmoreland, 2001
6.  “Clean Shaven Director: Lodge H. Kerrigan
7.  “Beefcake” Director: Tom Fitzgerald, 1998
8.  “Criminal Lovers” (aka “Les Amants Criminels”) Director: Francois  Ozon, 1999
9.  “The Hours and Tines” Director: Christopher Munch, 1991   Plus:“Sissy Boy Slap Party”
       Director: Guy Maddin, 2004 and “Dottie Gets Spanked” Director:  Todd Haynes, 1993
10. “Pink Narcissus” Director: James Bidgood, 1971
11. “Who Killed Pasolini” (“Pasolini, un delitto italiano”) Director:  Marco Tullio Giordana, 1995
12. “Porn Theater” (aka “La Chatte a Deux Tetes”) Director: Jacques  Nolot, 2002
13. “Irreversible” Director: Gaspar Noe, 2002